and bob woodward wrote a detailed book about the whole experience. more important thing here is that the republicans are saying, all right, we will go for increases in revenue. i don't want to parse terms. it's not a tax increase technical clear, but if you're taking in more revenue, it's not from growth, people are paying more, they're paying more money to the government. the president and the democrats, they will not -- dick durbin, harry reid, nancy pelosi, they're saying no to entitlement reform. if we don't get entitlement reform, it's a bad thing. don't you see it that way? >> two things the president is talking i don't see. one is increasing tax rates on individual taxpayers. that's not going to fly. i've never supported a tax increase rate-wise and i'm not going to. secondly, we're not going to discuss revenues until they're willing to put entitlement reform on the table. entitlement reform is tough for republicans, because it's valuable programs we're talking about, but they're sacrosanct for the democrats. you can't have everything you want